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Island Crime s1e02:Lisa is Missing (45m) Fri May 22, 2020 (Laura Palmer)

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Island Crime: Season 1, Episode 2: Lisa is Missing (May 22, 2020)

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"I knew in my heart that especially when I found out that she was supposed to be moving that was not that was not in her to not show up especially because like you know her parents were gonna help her and there's gonna be people helping her and I knew how excited she was to move like to her it was like a brand-new chapter it was a brand new she wasn't one to miss that you know she was very reliable, and you could depend on her you know so that morning it was just panic it was just like, 'Where is she?'"

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"The people that knew her knew that something bad had happened and we didn't want to think about the worst-case scenario, and I don't even think in those words that we went there but we knew that she was in trouble, and you know and then you have to wait the 24 hours and it was like God knows what's gonna happen in 24 hours for her so that was kind of, I just remember we're driving from one end of Nanaimo to the other, like just hitting every area we could think of and calling her phone and it just going to answer machine it was just like something's not okay, something's wrong."

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Carolanne Bosma is Lisa's foster sister. She recalls that dreadful period of time when she and Lisa's friends and family first realize that Lisa is gone.

[Can you just describe that period a little bit more for me between you know not getting that call that morning and things really starting to ratchet up in terms of a police investigation and all of that so what is that week what is that week like]

"Horrible, it's horrible, just driving everywhere you know like driving up into the mountains where you know the partying was. Checking out local you know there was people that you know there was places that you know the young adults went to party and we you know we would go there and we would search that area just do a walk-through looking for anything really. Hitting up people being like we had a picture of her and we think have you seen her? Were you there that night? Were you out that night? Did you see her? Did you, you know, because as days went on we knew that something really bad had happened like you know what I mean? Like the more days that went by the scarier it got."

So when you're out talking to people and showing her picture and looking, did you get any answers? Did anybody tell you anything?

"Yep there was um, a lot of, uh a lot of fear, a lot of don't dig, be careful and then it was really hard because you heard so many different stories and that's the hardest part even years later is that there's just so much stories. It's almost like a Stephen King novel but the underlying theme is that she was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people and there's a lot of fear surrounding that."

Still?

"Yeah yeah."

Let's step back in time to the summer that Lisa disappears. It's the end of June 2002. The start of the Canada Day long weekend. Soon the weather on the island will heat up, but for now it's still quite cool. The weekend is off to a cloudy start. Canada is celebrating its 135th birthday. In Nanaimo thousands of people will pack a park for a salmon barbecue. Nanaimo's mayor at the time describes it as another beautiful day in paradise.

Waking up after the long weekend you might have picked up the local paper to catch up on the news. This is pre social media, before local dailies like the Nanaimo Daily News have been wiped out.

The front page carries good natured community stories about the long weekend. A picture of a baby celebrating his first Canada Day. A story about how busy the ferries are. And a report on how an all-night dry grad party went off without a hitch.

But what's missing in that July 2^nd edition of the paper is this: there is no story about the disappearance of a local woman. By Tuesday July 2nd Lisa Marie Young is missing for three days.

Lisa is indigenous and in Canada and the United States, that makes her far more vulnerable. Far more likely to be missing or murdered. If this happened today Lisa's picture would be shared far and wide on social media, but this is 2002 and while that may seem like — and it is — fairly recent history, the local newspaper at the time reminds me just how much has happened since Lisa went missing.

In that same edition there's a story concerning police resources across the region. They are stretched as excavation work continues at the pig farm of serial killer Robert Pickton. In the aftermath of the Pickton investigation police will face serious criticism for their handling of missing women's cases and there is another issue front and center at the time Lisa disappears: indigenous rights. The government has just held a referendum on treaties. It's a deeply divisive time with indigenous leaders calling for a boycott. The Nanaimo paper headline reads, "Natives to BBQ referendum ballots" A massive serial killer investigation underway, racial tensions running high, all of this swirling in the air the night Lisa disappears.

It's just after Christmas when I meet Lisa's dad Don Young in person for the first time we have talked on the phone we have discussed housing prices we've commiserated about traffic what we have not spoken about not once is Don's daughter Lisa Marie Young.

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Don Young lives in a quiet suburban Nanaimo neighbourhood his home is white with a fading blue trim it's decorated for Christmas with lights and dangling snowflakes the day is dreary though it's grey rainy typical December weather on the island I've waited till after Christmas to approach Don once again about an interview so when I get a yes I jump in my car and head across the island Don is not comfortable with the media and he isn't sure there is any real value in telling his story again but now he tells me he just wants to get it over with Don is older than the pictures I have seen in newspaper accounts of course he is almost 18 long years have passed during that time Don has lost a daughter in the most tragic of circumstances and not so long ago Don also lost his wife Joanne Don is now in his 60s his hair is fully grey he struggles with arthritis and walks slowly he's every bit the small-town Canadian guy when I first asked him about Lisa Marie he responds with characteristic reticence what can I say it sucks and yet there is something surprisingly positive about Don he has kind words to say about almost everyone the first thing I see as we step into his living room is a large framed sketch of Lisa Don tells me it was created by a street artist in Ottawa Joanne had travelled across the country to attend a gathering about murdered and missing indigenous women she returned with the sketch there is also indigenous art beautiful handmade carvings around the mantel Don points to a single large faux flower in a vase by the window he tells me Joanne bought it she liked that kind of thing but now Joanne is gone Don lives here alone with his adult son Robin okay Don Young grew up in Ajax Ontario moved robbery when I was about 14 with my parents lived there for 4 years did high school and lieutenant I'm oh pretty well been here ever since can you tell me how you first met Joanne I met her when I was working in that I'm and I was 23 and she was like she told me she was 18 she was 17 so yeah we were pretty young can you tell me about those sort of early days having kids although it's business busy because they're two years apart so you know you we do a Louie kinda they're all running around and at least it was 81 Brian's 82 Lisa's early 81 Brian's 82 and 82 couple days ago and Robyn's December nice 84 yeah so was Joe and staying at home with the kids uh yeah she stayed home she worked a little later on in life but for the early time she stayed home yep so Lisa was born here in and I'm oh is that right yes she was can you just talk to me a little bit about what she was like as a little person oh she's pretty feisty she always was feisty she was really good with her brother's like really good so she's like a mom or two her brother's there and she looked out for them and what was she like as a young person in school she liked school she liked sports like basketball she was kind of shortish she tried extra hard cuz she wanted it you know being the basketball team and I think she did fine down there no she was a good student well like all kids her age she liked going out to the clubs and that when she got old enough and you know you always worried about her so you know I always talked to her about it all the time you know call me big cabs do what you have to do to stay safe just tried to keep an eye out for her and kind of broke the Golden Rule and not getting in a car where you don't really know somebody with somebody I do want to ask you course but I see you've got some new pictures can you just describe a few than ever just hanging around oh Lisa what you draw so which one is Lisa in this picture right there right Oh cutie mm-hmm that's her with her at all like we did drunk Gabriel her for a year just for something to do we were renting stowe and we just seen this beautiful place over there for rent and we arrested it was nice for the kids sorry so in that picture she's got a little pink bike with training wheels yeah and she's got a cat in the basket yeah that's her she's all there oh that's a beautiful picture she's got long dark hair she looks quite serious in that picture yeah she does didn't you now in that picture Don how old is Lisa that's a good question I would say around 20 and she has she has a tattoo on her right arm mm-hmm tell me about that I can't really remember it's little rose on there I think you remember her coming home with it I remember getting a few tattoos because she said she wanted her mice okay I'm not gonna tell you not to get a tattoo so yeah, she was pretty strong well like super strong wilt can I ask Don my part that I'm still a little bit unclear on in Lisa's life I interviewed a girl named Carol Ann who described herself as her foster sister right so there there's a point in time when she's in in foster care for a little bit yes is that what is she a teenager yeah that was because her mom and her weren't getting along and it's just where she went for a while yes yeah and she was pretty feisty and she just didn't want to live there it was Carol Ann's sense that with Lisa living close to you guys yeah that she and her mom I work to kind of repair yeah Lisa would admit that but I think Lisa likes living next door to us and she you know wanted to see her mom but at the same time we wouldn't really admit it regular teenager relationship history like friction in teenagers with kids not I look forward yeah should we get all three yes Don gets up and walks around a bit then settles back in to continue our interview we begin to discuss the night Lisa vanished we were in an apartment at close to Country Club Mall 10:00 and Lisa was going out with her friends for somebody's birthday and she came over and I was watching a hockey game or something really she her and I were really close so she hung out for a while and we had a beer and she said I'm going out with my friends, and I was about it it was it was the Canada Day weekend, and it was quite late is that right when she left yeah she didn't leave toe I don't know might have been nine o'clock or so yeah and do you recall who she left with no she left my place by herself and was being picked up outside the house I think so I remember, and I might correct on in thinking that she had recently left a job working at the palace Jones right okay but she was going to start a new job soon yes she was starting a new job real soon yeah I kept my roof she was moving I think what she lived right next to us at that point in the apartment just honest and with her girlfriends and they were all moving out just that weekend they had had it cleaned out and they were ready to roll to her friends Tara and the other girl, I can't remember their Tara still works I think of McDonald she's a manager because Lisa and her I think that's where they met working adults okay yeah I did talk to a few different people who talked about how great Lisa was at her job yeah great with customers yeah she was very good worker I mean really diligent you know nose to grindstone know it that I'm just gonna go back to the kind of timeline because I do want to make sure I get it right so you guys you were planning on helping her move right so at what point in that morning did you did it occur to you that something was wrong well we tried phoning her phone a bunch of times I think they ended up out in Cedar if I remember correctly think and wasn't unusual for her to sleep in if they did a night of partying right you know that H so you know 10 11 o'clock we didn't worry about it too much and Joe and I went got some takeout for breakfast and we went and sat down in two parts of a beach where we liked to go sometimes and checked out the scenery and so couldn't get her and then we started getting worried because you know her phone didn't answer I mean sometimes people's phones if their dad they go to voicemail right away I can't mer what happened then I don't think that was the case I think it rang and didn't answer think yeah we started getting pretty worried then we from the place and they told us to wait for a day and we said no this is right and they came over and sewed on this is one of the things I did want to make sure I was clear on because the newspaper accounts and the Crime Stoppers video and there's some discrepancy I would say in terms of what happened you've seen that re-enactment 1 on YouTube yes yeah girl looks like a lot like right I did I did think that yes but the video I think talks about it being a few days before the family contacted the police and that's not right no next morning and they gave us you know don't worry about it just which she's probably with her friends buh-buh-buh and we call back and we said no she's good we're tight she didn't go a day without phoniest you know it sound like we you know she'd be away for a week and we didn't talk to her we always talked to him but Sheila break beside us so yeah and we had to help remove so that was unusual I heard through I think it was through Carol that the initial discussion with the police officer who came who came over was that he was up going to be off-duty till Friday he's a Sunday yeah and kind of see what happening then check back and yeah is that right yet I don't think we did that I think we come back the next day and I can't remember if his partner came out because it was two of them this period after Lisa first disappears is a blur of panicked phone calls to family friends and police they learn after the nightclub closed Lisa and her friends met up with a guy in an older model red jag some described the Jag as maroon others say burgundy it was the model from the late 80s early 90s and had distinctive rectangular headlights we learn Lisa and her friends catch a lift with Jagr guy to a couple of house parties and that later Lisa winds up alone in the car with the red jag guy and calls her friend Dallas for help you know as time goes by we hear about Lisa calling her friend Dallas and saying that she's in the vehicle right but in those early days did you know that yeah you did oh yeah sure how quickly did you hear that pretty quick yeah she was in the vehicle on Bowen wrote and these guys aren't driving me back what the hell you know let's I don't know what's going on here she's in the car waiting maybe she was locked in the car I don't know she didn't know she didn't have to get out of the car it was an old older guy wearing you know buttons you know english cart I don't know I mean I don't know at that point where she was getting very worried about it or she was more the type that would just say well I'll just tell these guys to get me back there and that's always do it you know did Dallas contact you guys the next morning or how did you come to know about that phone call to him?

Oh well the police told us that so they had it was pretty quick after I don't think it was a long time and day or two at the most before we found that oh yeah, she was in the car bone road they're not bringing me back and you know if she's phoning a party with a bunch of drunk teenager early 20 people so there you know to fog right there probably good whatever you know at least on the phone they I don't think they thought too much of it too bad nobody was on the ball enough to you know to be worried and called the cops and say hey check out this Jaguar Tom Bowen because it would probably would have been pretty easy to Saturday it was us you know late 80s I think Jaguar 90s, so it was one of a kind right in that I'm oh I'm sure so unfortunate sequence of events so the police identified that vehicle and the driver at what point huh well they knew I think they knew the guy from the kids that had drifted Jagger maybe they knew his name or something can they contacted the grandmother who was the real estate then they went got it and went through it so they the police did tell you that they went and looked at the car statement pounded it they went through it it's fine to come saw nothing and the grandmother kind of have a lot of clout in colic I mean she got really pushy with him and said I'll sue you forget all lines kind of thing you know so where did like how did you learn that that information did the police say that her about the gremlin uh-huh yeah II did yeah he also told us that because we went down to call him and put posters up missing posters and they said you better not do that and I don't care we're doing it here's Don Young describing what happened when the police finally bring in the red jag guy for questioning yeah I wasn't with her they picked her up at the apartment and zoomed her down to Park fo where he was he was Parksville in lockup and they could only hold him for so long so they wanted to try and get something out of him cuz he didn't have any enough to hold him for anything and the Gotcha went to confront him and you know get her to say I'm the mother I'm upset what's happening what happened my daughter and apparently, he told me he said I can't and that's all he would say and apparently, they couldn't legally get him like under his fingernails or anything any evidence like that without more recent so they want to do they asked him take his shirt off and he wouldn't you know because you're probably scratched if somebody's yeah you know upset with you and their grandma they were threatening to us and she's threatened to sue you yep hmm yeah and we should go ahead yeah I think we put his name right on the butchers like the kid driving the Jaguar because it was information that was true anyway he was driving the Jaguar so wasn't malicious her sliders it was just effect I guess it may be at the same time are their searches happening or what it what are they what's being done to try and find Lisa I think Joanne's family was doing more searches than anybody they did some large groups have men come up enough basically, they used our apartment for a you know home centre and went to wherever they could wherever they had any ideas or leads to you know and they did that many times over many times you know because you would get people from town phone you with sometimes lunatics sometimes people that sound legitimate business and bah-bah-bah Gorelick here you know yeah we did have one lady phone us she was out that I'm a river road somewhere and she knew that they were taking her body and she was just frantic to which she found me just forensic like you got to get out there she knew what was going on she said and talk to the police about her and they said she was kind of a you know bit of a space cadet and they didn't put much credence in her what she said bad my own thought was that she knew what was going on you know in the period after Lisa vanished Don and Joanne received many calls from people who claimed to have information about Lisa one that stands out for Don involves a call from one of the city's most notorious criminals he asked to meet with Don he called me, and he said he wanted to help out with the whole thing maybe went for coffee yet hortence and you know I got pretty scary vibes out there I think he was just checking me out to see what I knew you know and it was pretty uncomfortable he came across his I care and I try to help people figure these things out and yeah this man who sat and drank coffee with Don is one of the people who many a Nanaimo believed had something to do with Lisa's disappearance his name comes up in a couple of the interviews I do for this podcast but he has not been charged and as I don't have enough information to independently confirm he was there the night Lisa vanished I won't be naming him here for a time Don and I sift through family pictures happy memories of the days when the kids were young and he and Joanne would spend time camping and going to the beach when he shows me a picture of their wedding I'm struck by how young they look in their 70s wedding outfits up until recently an indigenous woman like Joanne would have lost her status or be removed from bandless due to marrying a non-indigenous man I asked Don about whether they experienced much racism as a couple no I didn't even know Joanne was made about that she was Italian or something she just she didn't have any kind of accent or anything I didn't ever really pick up on her for a while yeah she did like being herself she didn't she appreciated the culture but at the same time she didn't she didn't embrace it the point of getting really wrapped up in it but she still liked it yeah she would tell me a lot of stuff about it you know and some of the well she did the they did the residential schools and all that stuff but I know her parents were in residential schools Joanne as well hey Joanne and Carol both of them work yeah okay you know I think they're brothers too really yeah she told me stories about happy and just like just like a horror movie you know like all of a sudden, you're just boom ear out of your family and you're living in this weird place was she and is it mirrors Island as ever she was as wow yeah I need two colors I think it's called catalyst that's it right Carol said something about Joanne feeling like at least early on worried that the fact that she was indigenous meant they didn't move as quickly as they could have that there was some assumptions around Lisa maybe being partying or something and did you ever have any of that concern about the investigation they really like that right off the bat because the girl was partying and they deal with that all the time and they pretty well said just chill out and do what happens in a day but I didn't get an impression it was any to her being in ditches no I never got that impression I think what Joanne was more concerned about was that she would get lumped in with did highway terrorists missing people and they were labelled a little bit more like prostitutes of drug addicts and things I got she didn't want her daughter lumped in with that group because there was so many needed people missing in their Ella yeah some of them were kind of drifters and they you know had some pretty big issues you know which Lisa didn't she wasn't drug addict she was a social drinker you know she didn't get out of control she made it to work and that kind of thing I knew Lisa's grandparents had endured residential schools but the revelation that Lisa's mom is also a survivor catches me off-guard Joanne would have been not much older than I am if she were alive today Don doesn't seem to think Lisa's indigenous heritage impacted the police investigation on this I'm not convinced he is right but let's go back to the summer of 2002 Lisa has just recently turned 21 her birthday was back in May she's getting set to move into a new place the next day her father Don is helping her with the move she's been living in an apartment next door to her parents and she is getting set for some big changes a new apartment a new job but Lisa is 21 she loves going out with them.

Lisa makes the decision to go out clubbing with her pals. In 2002 Nanaimo has a thriving club scene. The Jungle Cabaret is on a narrow winding strip called Skinner Street. The bar has been through a few name changes. After Lisa's disappearance it became Club 241. Now, it's called Evolve.

I'd heard that, in addition to being the club where Lisa was last seen partying, she had also worked as a bartender here. I'm curious enough to track down owner Paul Manhas to check out that detail.

My name is Paul Manhas, I'm the owner of the club and Lisa Marie did not work at the club. She worked at the place called Palace Hotel which is also owned by me and she was, at the time she disappeared, she was no longer working at The Palace, so she was no longer our employee when she her disappearance.

So that's a great clarification for me because I think I had read in other places that she was a bartender at The Jungle so that's not right?

No she never worked at the Jungle. It's all kind of stories that misrepresented people picking up on information from wrong people and so on and the day she disappeared, she was socializing and partying at The Jungle and towards the end of the night apparently not no knowledge to us, but we heard a later date and she touched and one of the night that she doesn't go to her disappearance.

And so she worked you said at the Palace?

The Palace Hotel which is right next door to The Jungle.

Okay is that, sorry I haven't been in Nanaimo for a little while, is that still there, The Palace?

Yes it is it's been there for a 120-some years.

Oh my goodness okay so what did what did Lisa Marie do there?

She was a bartender at The Palace Hotel.

For how long?

She was there short term, a short period of time.

What does that mean a year or month or?

No just a matter of a few weeks.

Oh a few weeks?

Yes.

Okay cuz again I had read somewhere that she was a bartender for two or three years, no?

No, she was not.

Did you ever meet her?

Yes a bit. She was a pretty bright and very generous good kind kid, very, like, a good nature and good with other people, friendly with other people, she was overall, she was a good people.

Why did she only work for such a short time, did she go on to do something else there?

I can't recall why she left, I don't know what happened I don't like I can't remember, it was a long time ago.

Can you describe to me what the club scene was like back then?

Club scene was pretty wild back then, since then it kind of slowed down. All the clubs downtown was pretty busy at that time.

So I had someone else tell me that, you know, they used to, kind of, the people used to, kind of, spill out onto the street, and that little narrow street where the clubs are would get quite filled with people, is that your recollection?

Yes it spilled on sit at the closing time for all the clubs would be two o'clock and they all end up out on the street and or they hang out in the parking lot amd we tried to disperse the crowd as quick as possible, our employees do that, all the other club do the same thing because that will be required by the law enforcement to make sure the club, the crowd at this you know sort of disperse as quick as possible and when we do that kind of stuff yes it at the end of the night, all the clubs closed at the same time and there are four, let me see one two three four five clubs on that street within the two blocks and when they all empty at 2:00 and a lot of people on the street yes.

I don't, I know this is going back a ways in time but do you happen to recall you know the days after she disappeared what was happening in the community and in the club scene then?

People were shocked to hear that we were shocked but no one knew what to do and they ever been be handy and Behance and that for them to find out and I think he were still shocked all these years gone by and it breaks my heart to even think about it every time I go back knowing that could disappear just like that and hasn't been any you know any closure on their share it just you know breaks my heart so Lisa did not work at The Jungle as some stories about her suggest Lisa was only briefly a bartender in other accounts there has been an implication that Lisa was savvy about the dangers of the club scene as she had worked as a bartender for years it seems this too is not the case and it's a small thing but when Paul Manhas refers to Lisa Marie as a good kid my heart breaks a little because Lisa has only just turned 21 and she is so young on that night as I tried to imagine what downtown and Imus club scene would have been like back then I have a recollection I was there around this time my husband and I had just returned from a stint as development workers in the South Pacific it was my husband's birthday and he was longing for our days of island-hopping with barefoot pilots in float planes we are both back at nine-to-five jobs and a trip to the South Pacific is not in the cards so I booked us an overnight stay in Nanaimo it's a 15-minute floatplane away we stay at a downtown hotel and here is the point of this little trip down memory lane.

Paul Manhas is not exaggerating when he says the club scene was wild back then we went out to a few of the bars that night they were gritty tough reminded me of Vancouver's notorious Downtown East Side and when we returned to our hotel a few blocks from The Jungle we had a sleepless night as we listened to the bars emptying out people yelling screaming fighting drunk high and I think of Lisa outside The Jungle that night Lisa vanished that evening and there's much we don't know about what happened in the early hours of Sunday morning but I've spent months talking to friends family and others who know Lisa story well I've pored over newspaper accounts from the time to here's what I have been able to piece together so far Saturday night June 29th 2002 Lisa goes out to The Jungle Cabaret with friends she is moving the next day she really shouldn't be out partying late but there's that other detail I learned from Carol Ann Lisa takes birthdays seriously she makes a big deal out of them and the night Lisa disappears she's out celebrating her friend Dallas Holly's birthday 2:30 a.m. now early Sunday morning as far as we know Lisa Marie and her friends remain at The Jungle Cabaret till closing after that Lisa and Dallas and some other friends empty out on to Skinner Street it's here that Lisa meets up with the 27-year-old young man in the burgundy coloured Jaguar he offers to drive them to another party it's an area some locals call scare wood as it had a bad reputation for rampant drug use and crime in most accounts the red jag guy is described as a stranger to Lisa and her friends but a source tells me that Dallas knew the red jag guy he wasn't a stranger to all of them and that makes Lisa's decision to get into that red jag easier to understand 3:30 a.m. Lisa Dallas and her friends move on to another party in the Cathers Lake area again with the red jag guy 3:45 or so shortly after arriving Lisa wants to get food she's a vegetarian and the young guy in the Jag upon hearing this offers to give Lisa a lift to a place he says is open late she leaves in the Jag alone with the man four other friends remain at the party sometime after four Lisa calls Dallas the man has taken her to another party somewhere on Bowen Road 4:30 a.m. another communication with Dallas and a final text message come get me they won't let me leave and here's something else I'm told by a source Lisa and Dallas had dated for a time I don't know whether this matters or not but it does make me think differently about those final calls Dallas was not simply one of the gang he was someone Lisa was close with for a time someone she trusted ahead in Episode three the desperate search for Lisa Marie Young yeah as a reporter you cover so many different stories a lot of stories have a lot of heartbreak but Lisa story has always bothered me the most of any and I've had numerous nights without sleep as a result just this past weekend thinking about this interview I couldn't sleep on Saturday night and I think it's because it was early in my career and there just hasn't been any answers and this is one where I felt like there should be answers and I've gotten to know Don and Joanne quite well and I just really feel for them in a massive way and I've had daughters since and that's made it worse in some ways because as a parent you would do anything to protect your kids and it just it's devastating in some ways I don't know how Don deals with it and Johanna I can't help but feel that the pain that she felt over her missing daughter led to her death being a little more premature it was a real weight on her and it's just such an unjust dis that that this hasn't been solved

I'm Laura Palmer and this is Island Crime.

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